Went in for a lip piercing it hurt really bad when he did it, the guy 'Moose' said well ya I just stuck a needle through your lip... it was still bleeding the next day I'm pretty sure it should've stopped by then, I went to a reputable shop in Edmonton to see if one of the body piercers could take a look because I was worried about the bleeding and it felt like I was punched in the face, they told me I should take the jewelry out immediately, not only did the guy pierce through a vein that was visible but he used too small of jewelry and the jewelry he used seemed to be mixed with Nickel, I had a green tone around the hole and I'm sensitive to nickel metal. Serves me right to try and cheap out on a piercing *response to the owner* The guy Moose pierced through my lip, you could see it in the mirror, I know what a vein looks like. The other shop wasn't trying to make Envy look bad they were legitimately concerned about the unprofessional mistake that was made Read Less